Six,
I have been reading and posting on this board for quite a few months now. One common thread I have seen among almost all of us is confusion about our belief system.
It has been said before on this forum, but I believe it bears repeating. Leaving the org. is like divorce/death. We have to go through all the stages. Anger, fear, guilt ect.
It is not easy going from someone doing all our thinking for us to thinking for ourselves. We have to re-find ourselves.
Personally, I feel the same way about the Bible. I question whether it is inspired. I think that it and other holy books that claim inspiration have good principles.
I am at the place right now where if there is a God or higher being, doctrine and belief system isn't really all that important. What is important is to live our lives to benefit others and have joy for ourselves.
I may get to another stage later. And that will be OK too!
TW
thinkers wife
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Dear Witnesses, just suppose....
by SixofNine injust suppose for a minute, that there is this guy.
a nice guy.
has a really good record of trying to do the right thing.
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Fornication......*blushing*
by d0rkyd00d inas many may know, i'm still a teenager.
i'm not willing to reveal my age, which is one less than 17 or one more than 15. but i just wanted to get your guys' opinion on sex before marriage.
a lot of people here have kinda lost their "watchtower" and biblical standards as i have gathered.
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thinkers wife
Dood,
I think it great that you are even thinking in these terms. It shows me that you have a sense of responsibility.
IMO, most of what was stated here already is very true. And I totally agree with Comf, if your little voice is saying don't then don't.
I have found that sex is only great in a caring comitted relationship. The tricky thing is finding two people who feel the same way about each other. That takes a certain amount of maturity. You will find that your needs and wants now, are totally different down the road. Someone saidJust beacuse the WT is full of crap,doesn`t mean that
all there teaching is absolutely wrongThat would be true in this area. Someone also said,
it doesn't hurt to wait. go dance, kiss hold hands and date. be a kid and enjoy it!!! just don't try to grow up to soon
Good advice. Don't let the pressure of other kid's attitudes make you do something you will regret. It is O.K. to just have fun and enjoy getting to know a variety of other's without feeling like you must have sex, because everyone else is.
Be patient my friend. When you are truly ready you will know it. Don't settle for less. Along your journey, really figure out what it is that you want out of life and search for someone who fits in with those wants and needs. It sounds complicated but as you mature it really isn't.
If at some point you feel you have found someone that fits all your criteria and they feel you fit their's then, I see nothing wrong with experimentation. Just make sure it isn't just a physical attraction. You need to love their soul and they need to love yours before the sex is absolutely dynamite.
And if and when you do decide to go ahead, whatever the circumstances, be responsible. Use protection. Try not to fall into a heat of the moment thing just for the sake of passion!!!
Good luck, and thanks for asking. I for one am proud of you!
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Newbie saying hello and glad to be here
by Calico_Cat inhello, i've been lurking the board for quite sometime now and i have also read crisis of conscience.
my hubby and i stopped attending the meetings since december and had our first christmas in 6 years.
it was fun although the feelings of guilt are still within us.. we've been visited by the elders twice but we managed to keep them at bay.
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thinkers wife
CC,
WELCOME to the BOARD!!!
WOW, I can't believe the actives come here!!! That is a great thing to know. Hopefully they will read something to help them too!!!
Hope to learn more about you!
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troubled [in need of answers]
by zev intoday, i had a long, long talk with my employer.
this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.
she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.
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thinkers wife
Dear Zev,
I was afraid this might happen many months ago when I saw some of your conflicted posts. When it gets to the point it has with you and the org. there is no turning back. You feel like you feel about it and you have a right to feel that way. When I went through counseling one of the many things I learned that was very important is that we are entitled to our feelings. No one can tell us how we should feel, that is all encompassing IMO. It includes how you feel about the org.
I think the bottom line question is, how do you really feel about your wife and your marriage? A lot of great people have posted a lot of wonderful advice. But none of us are equipped to supply the answer to that question. Only you can. So please Zev, don't lose sight of the whole picture. You obviously have made up your mind about the org and what you are going to do about that. Now you MUST evaluate your feelings about your wife. Do you want to try to salvage the marriage? Is there anything worth saving? Do you still love her?
Then after deciding how you feel about that, you must pursue the most logical course you can based on your knowlege of the situation.
If you do want to salvage. I would suggest a heart to heart conversation with your wife about that. And only that. All other issues aside. Just you and her and your marriage!!
Take care of yourself. And know that we will support you in whatever you decide!!! DO NOT SELL YOURSELF OUT, no matter what. Persue what is most important to you and yourself and your well being. Don't forget, IMO, that is one of the things the Society tries to take away from us. Being true to ourselves and our feelings.
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HEY! 2001 CONVENTION POINTS
by Amazing inthe following is a recent jw advertisement about their upcoming conventions.
it can be found on the jw-media.org site under recent news.
i will quote them in italics and then make my own observations.. jehovah's witnesses office of public information.
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thinkers wife
This is HILARIOUS!!! Brings back memories! I missed the food too when they stopped. I LIVED for it!! Plus like others said, volunteering got you out of your seat early.
Did anyone else dread the keynote address? How incredibly boring!!!!!! I used to take notes just to stay awake. And I never thought they made any sense!
As for "cruising" guess I was just never hot enough. I looked a lot, but never felt like anyone else was looking back!
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HELLO? HELLO? "ALL" SIGN IN???????
by waiting insimon did away with the sex forum - so i must take the tradional route and post under "make new friends.
" how mundane!.
fyi ---- for all of us, please take the time to write a sentence or two about yourselves, and encourage new ones to do the same.
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thinkers wife
Welcome to all!! So great reading everyone's backgrounds. Hope to hear more from everyone!
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Hair-raising Tale!
by Free2Bme inlet's have some fun.did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?.
here's one from me.. i went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.. my mum who is a devout jw was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.. next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a jw.
to make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).. stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag i asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!.
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thinkers wife
Welcome to the board Bug's wife.
Of the wife class too ,
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Hair-raising Tale!
by Free2Bme inlet's have some fun.did you find out some juicy gossip about a witness that you are just dying to blab?.
here's one from me.. i went to a hairdressing salon for the first time and the stylist was a camp male who never stopped chatting from the second he got his gesticulating paws on my scruffy mop.. my mum who is a devout jw was sitting reading a mag waiting for me.. next thing he's telling us about his gay male friend who is a bit down because he is having an affair with a jw.
to make things worse he is married with kids (the brother not the gay friend).. stifling my shock and trying not to look at my mum who is staring wildly and unseeingly at her mag i asked his name or address and although he didn't know the name he told us his street and district!.
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thinkers wife
Hi Free,
Just saw this thread too!! Enjoyed the stories. I am sure I know some, but none are coming to mind at this moment.
I too was like Jelly, the butt of a lot of the gossip. Even after I left and moved to another congregation, (the cong. I left I had been in for about eighteen years), about a year after I moved the rumors about me were rampant. At first it irritated me. Now I realise, they just didn't have a life and were living vicariously through me!! Kind of amusing now!
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New Here Also- Thoughts on the current state of JW
by secretjw ini am a baptized witness... i've been around it most of my life.
i've been baptized for a while now.. just as a topic of thought, what do you think is the current state of the society/jehovah's witnesses today?
it seems like we're in the last days.... but then again, the last days have been going on for 60+ years!
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thinkers wife
Welcome to the board Secret, I echo LDH's thought to you!
Seraphin,
What a horribly cruel thing to allude to. I am so sorry for your loss and the salt poured on your wounds!
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History of Wedding Ring
by wannahelp inhmm,.
while searching the internet today i found this websit.
<a> http://www.prime.org/chalfant/rings.html.
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thinkers wife
Good luck on contacting the GB, Wanna, you wouldn't be the first!! They will probably thank you very nicely and put you on their special DNC list!!
TW